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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Scrum User Group&#8217; controversy</title>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
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		<description>An interesting response to the emails:

Hi Ron,


Ron Jeffries wrote:
&gt; A long time ago I had a conversation with Kent in which he said that
&gt; he had considered whether &quot;Extreme Programming&quot; should be
&gt; trademarked. He thought that the primary tradeoff was between
&gt; controlling what XP means, and broad adoption of the ideas (however
&gt; weakly). He chose the latter.
&gt; 
&gt; Those of us who complain from time to time that the notions of XP,
&gt; or Agile, or Scrum get watered down need to remember that story.


I have no problems with Trademarks /per se/. They are a necessary part 
of business. And I have no problem with companies saying things like, 
&quot;Scrum is a trademark. If you are going to use it, please adhere to the 
following guidelines&quot;. That&#039;s pretty normal - if you want to use our 
logo, here&#039;s how we ask you use it.

But the difference between that and asking groups who are the grassroots 
passionate users of Scrum that &quot;Scrum User Group&quot; is a trademark, and to 
use it you need to sign a document - that&#039;s over the line to me. That&#039;s 
what I wish they did not do. Offer guidelines - absolutely. Trademark 
something that&#039;s been in use for many years, and then come in after the 
fact and require a legal document to be signed to use it - not so much.

That&#039;s why I mentioned the Certified Scrum User Group Leader - I&#039;m not 
trying to be an ass, but merely point out that if you want to have that 
much control over the groups, then offer that. I just wish they didn&#039;t 
send out letters willy nilly to the very people trying their hardest to 
promoted and help the adoption of Scrum, and indirectly other agile 
practices and techniques.


-- 
Cory Foy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting response to the emails:</p>
<p>Hi Ron,</p>
<p>Ron Jeffries wrote:<br />
> A long time ago I had a conversation with Kent in which he said that<br />
> he had considered whether &#8220;Extreme Programming&#8221; should be<br />
> trademarked. He thought that the primary tradeoff was between<br />
> controlling what XP means, and broad adoption of the ideas (however<br />
> weakly). He chose the latter.<br />
><br />
> Those of us who complain from time to time that the notions of XP,<br />
> or Agile, or Scrum get watered down need to remember that story.</p>
<p>I have no problems with Trademarks /per se/. They are a necessary part<br />
of business. And I have no problem with companies saying things like,<br />
&#8220;Scrum is a trademark. If you are going to use it, please adhere to the<br />
following guidelines&#8221;. That&#8217;s pretty normal &#8211; if you want to use our<br />
logo, here&#8217;s how we ask you use it.</p>
<p>But the difference between that and asking groups who are the grassroots<br />
passionate users of Scrum that &#8220;Scrum User Group&#8221; is a trademark, and to<br />
use it you need to sign a document &#8211; that&#8217;s over the line to me. That&#8217;s<br />
what I wish they did not do. Offer guidelines &#8211; absolutely. Trademark<br />
something that&#8217;s been in use for many years, and then come in after the<br />
fact and require a legal document to be signed to use it &#8211; not so much.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I mentioned the Certified Scrum User Group Leader &#8211; I&#8217;m not<br />
trying to be an ass, but merely point out that if you want to have that<br />
much control over the groups, then offer that. I just wish they didn&#8217;t<br />
send out letters willy nilly to the very people trying their hardest to<br />
promoted and help the adoption of Scrum, and indirectly other agile<br />
practices and techniques.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Cory Foy</p>
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